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	<title>Comments on: Monty Widenius, One of MySQL&#8217;s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQL</title>
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		<title>By: The Developer Day &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Certification to be continued</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-318901</link>
		<dc:creator>The Developer Day &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Certification to be continued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-318901</guid>
		<description>[...] now even the downloads page looks like a shopping center. Then there you can read about all these great people leaving MySQL and joining other development groups or companies. Even Drizzle itself has a reason why it was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] now even the downloads page looks like a shopping center. Then there you can read about all these great people leaving MySQL and joining other development groups or companies. Even Drizzle itself has a reason why it was [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Origen y futuro de Mysql &#124; cambrico.net</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-306198</link>
		<dc:creator>Origen y futuro de Mysql &#124; cambrico.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-306198</guid>
		<description>[...] Roland Bouman, responsable de algunos temas de formación y certificaciones y el propio fundador Monty Widenus, que se fue en Septiembre. Esto, junto a los rumores de una versión exclusiva de pago (sólo para [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Roland Bouman, responsable de algunos temas de formación y certificaciones y el propio fundador Monty Widenus, que se fue en Septiembre. Esto, junto a los rumores de una versión exclusiva de pago (sólo para [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Recent Links on Ma.gnolia at Fast Wonder Blog: Consulting, Online Communities, and Social Media</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-276332</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Links on Ma.gnolia at Fast Wonder Blog: Consulting, Online Communities, and Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-276332</guid>
		<description>[...] Monty Widenius, One of MySQL’s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQL [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Monty Widenius, One of MySQL’s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQL [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: No Official Word Yet on Monty and Sun&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-276040</link>
		<dc:creator>No Official Word Yet on Monty and Sun&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-276040</guid>
		<description>[...] Magazine, Fall Issue: Call for Articles Recent Commentsshow / hide Smithy on Monty Widenius, One of MySQL&#8217;s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQLAndy on Recent Changes to Oracle SE Licensing Rules: Higher Price?Alex Gorbachev on Oracle RAC SIG [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Magazine, Fall Issue: Call for Articles Recent Commentsshow / hide Smithy on Monty Widenius, One of MySQL&#8217;s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQLAndy on Recent Changes to Oracle SE Licensing Rules: Higher Price?Alex Gorbachev on Oracle RAC SIG [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Smithy</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-275978</link>
		<dc:creator>Smithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-275978</guid>
		<description>Monty says he's still talking about it:
http://www.tietoviikko.fi/infra_docview.jsp?f_id=1408820</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty says he&#8217;s still talking about it:<br />
<a href="http://www.tietoviikko.fi/infra_docview.jsp?f_id=1408820" rel="nofollow">http://www.tietoviikko.fi/infra_docview.jsp?f_id=1408820</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Hatch</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272653</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272653</guid>
		<description>It would be interesting to know what Monty's deal was with Sun on the acquisition of MySQL.  Key employees (Monty would certainly qualify!) usually get a pair of shiny golden handcuffs for some time after the acquisition, usually for a year, and I wonder if this "early departure" caused Monty to leave any significant amount of cash on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to know what Monty&#8217;s deal was with Sun on the acquisition of MySQL.  Key employees (Monty would certainly qualify!) usually get a pair of shiny golden handcuffs for some time after the acquisition, usually for a year, and I wonder if this &#8220;early departure&#8221; caused Monty to leave any significant amount of cash on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Log Buffer #113: A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272396</link>
		<dc:creator>Log Buffer #113: A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272396</guid>
		<description>[...] Pythian has openings for MySQL and MS SQL Server DBAs in each of our offices in Ottawa, Canada; Boston, USA; Dubai, UAE; and Hyderabad, India. If you are a MySQL and/or SQL Server DBA and would like to evaluate this opportunity, please send us your r&#233;sum&#233; with an introductory paragraph to hr@pythian.com.  &#171; Monty Widenius, One of MySQL&#8217;s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQL [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Pythian has openings for MySQL and MS SQL Server DBAs in each of our offices in Ottawa, Canada; Boston, USA; Dubai, UAE; and Hyderabad, India. If you are a MySQL and/or SQL Server DBA and would like to evaluate this opportunity, please send us your r&eacute;sum&eacute; with an introductory paragraph to <a href="mailto:hr@pythian.com">hr@pythian.com</a>.  &laquo; Monty Widenius, One of MySQL&#8217;s Founding Fathers, Leaves Sun/MySQL [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sheeri Cabral</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272342</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheeri Cabral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272342</guid>
		<description>Robert -- you are correct, I have a lack of understanding that for Postgres, other companies are providing "most" of the development and infrastructure.

However, perhaps another good side benefit to a major engineer leaving MySQL/Sun is the ball rolling faster on MySQL's ability to accept community patches.

Right now MySQL has painted themselves into a corner with regards to development, and most community members (and I bet MySQL/Sun too!) would like to see that changed.  In other words, MySQL AB forced itself to be the infrastructure for development, therefore it has to continue to be that infrastructure.  Change would be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8212; you are correct, I have a lack of understanding that for Postgres, other companies are providing &#8220;most&#8221; of the development and infrastructure.</p>
<p>However, perhaps another good side benefit to a major engineer leaving MySQL/Sun is the ball rolling faster on MySQL&#8217;s ability to accept community patches.</p>
<p>Right now MySQL has painted themselves into a corner with regards to development, and most community members (and I bet MySQL/Sun too!) would like to see that changed.  In other words, MySQL AB forced itself to be the infrastructure for development, therefore it has to continue to be that infrastructure.  Change would be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Has MySQL founder and CTO resigned from Sun?</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272335</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Has MySQL founder and CTO resigned from Sun?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272335</guid>
		<description>[...] 5, 2008 @ 9:23 am ET  Valleywag reports that Monty Widenius has quit Sun. The Pythian Group reckons its true. Kaj Arno&#8217;s non-denial denial would appear to confirm it despite his protestations [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 5, 2008 @ 9:23 am ET  Valleywag reports that Monty Widenius has quit Sun. The Pythian Group reckons its true. Kaj Arno&#8217;s non-denial denial would appear to confirm it despite his protestations [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Treat</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272315</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Treat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pythian.com/blogs/1211/monty-widenius-one-of-mysqls-founding-fathers-leaves-sunmysql#comment-272315</guid>
		<description>"MySQL, the free, open source database product, will live on even if there isn’t company backing for it. Though I can’t imagine that would happen, given that Sun has a history of supporting Postgres development, and Postgres doesn’t even have a company behind it like MySQL AB was for MySQL."

Wow, that seems like an amazing misjudgment on the state of these two open sources database communities. The big key to Sun's support is that they don't have to put a lot of effort into Postgres to reap a nice return, because so many other companies provide most of the development and infrastructure support that keep the project moving. With MySQL, Sun is that infrastructure and support, so the amount of effort needed is substantially higher. Granted, due to the investment they have already made, they are likely to keep pushing resources MySQL's way, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't recognize who is the cart and who is the horse in these two situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MySQL, the free, open source database product, will live on even if there isn’t company backing for it. Though I can’t imagine that would happen, given that Sun has a history of supporting Postgres development, and Postgres doesn’t even have a company behind it like MySQL AB was for MySQL.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that seems like an amazing misjudgment on the state of these two open sources database communities. The big key to Sun&#8217;s support is that they don&#8217;t have to put a lot of effort into Postgres to reap a nice return, because so many other companies provide most of the development and infrastructure support that keep the project moving. With MySQL, Sun is that infrastructure and support, so the amount of effort needed is substantially higher. Granted, due to the investment they have already made, they are likely to keep pushing resources MySQL&#8217;s way, but I think you&#8217;re kidding yourself if you don&#8217;t recognize who is the cart and who is the horse in these two situations.</p>
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