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	<title>Comments on: Alex Gorbachev Presenting at InSync09</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Prusinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Prusinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 04:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, indeed, 12.1 has many bug fixes/enhancements for EBS. Some features which don&#039;t work in 12.0.0 now work in 12.1. Maybe we can chat about these things at OOW when I run into you at the ACE lounge.

Cheers,
Ben

PS: I met one of your colleagues today at Oracle HQ- a VP of Sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed, 12.1 has many bug fixes/enhancements for EBS. Some features which don&#8217;t work in 12.0.0 now work in 12.1. Maybe we can chat about these things at OOW when I run into you at the ACE lounge.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Ben</p>
<p>PS: I met one of your colleagues today at Oracle HQ- a VP of Sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gorbachev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gorbachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, 12.1 seems to have completely up to date tech stack or so one mate told me here.

I have few ideas about Apps tier and MAA has some recommendations as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, 12.1 seems to have completely up to date tech stack or so one mate told me here.</p>
<p>I have few ideas about Apps tier and MAA has some recommendations as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Prusinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Prusinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree- but the thing for most of the current Fusion Middleware products including 10g Application Server and EBS is to account for the apps tier that need to be clustered. As you point out, it is cumbersome and messy business. But thats why they need consultants like us to provide this level of service. And yes, DG is pain for EBS since it only protects database tier, you still need to worry about the apps tier issues. If you lose that, you are dead in water since EBS is so heavy on the web and apps tiers. And DG does not protect against that loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree- but the thing for most of the current Fusion Middleware products including 10g Application Server and EBS is to account for the apps tier that need to be clustered. As you point out, it is cumbersome and messy business. But thats why they need consultants like us to provide this level of service. And yes, DG is pain for EBS since it only protects database tier, you still need to worry about the apps tier issues. If you lose that, you are dead in water since EBS is so heavy on the web and apps tiers. And DG does not protect against that loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gorbachev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gorbachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben. It&#039;s no different than bunch of other legacy applications badly written without flexibility of configuring them properly with RAC and Data Guard.

To properly manage OEBS workload, you have to do customizations to the profiles and even then there is little flexibility.

MAA does give some guidance but that approach is simply calling to balance everything across all nodes - what a novell idea!

Data Guard failover process is even worse - very cumbersome - which is a direct contradiction to DR requirements - must be simple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben. It&#8217;s no different than bunch of other legacy applications badly written without flexibility of configuring them properly with RAC and Data Guard.</p>
<p>To properly manage OEBS workload, you have to do customizations to the profiles and even then there is little flexibility.</p>
<p>MAA does give some guidance but that approach is simply calling to balance everything across all nodes &#8211; what a novell idea!</p>
<p>Data Guard failover process is even worse &#8211; very cumbersome &#8211; which is a direct contradiction to DR requirements &#8211; must be simple!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Prusinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Prusinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Alex,

Ping me if you have questions on EBS as my core focus besides RAC and HA is the EBS and Oracle Application Server suite. I have tons of experience with R12 and 11i for failover/DR. As you are soon discovering, EBS is a different animal entirely from a normal Oracle database.

Cheers,
Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Alex,</p>
<p>Ping me if you have questions on EBS as my core focus besides RAC and HA is the EBS and Oracle Application Server suite. I have tons of experience with R12 and 11i for failover/DR. As you are soon discovering, EBS is a different animal entirely from a normal Oracle database.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Ben</p>
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