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	<title>Comments on: Sandisk&#8217;s $600 solid-state drive could be a game-changer. 62MB/s, 7,000 IOPS in it&#8217;s first rev.</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Gorbachev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gorbachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
We have exactly the same idea here! It&#039;s not clear so far how they would perform for writes as flash might be really slow on writes. Specs give write performance a bit slower that read but it only gives throughput and not number of writes per second. 
I tried to contact SanDisk but email they provided in the brochure has bounced. I will try to follow it up on the first occasion. If you get to test it - please share your results.
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
We have exactly the same idea here! It&#8217;s not clear so far how they would perform for writes as flash might be really slow on writes. Specs give write performance a bit slower that read but it only gives throughput and not number of writes per second.<br />
I tried to contact SanDisk but email they provided in the brochure has bounced. I will try to follow it up on the first occasion. If you get to test it &#8211; please share your results.<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gorbachev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gorbachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, we have exactly the same idea here! It&#039;s not clear so far how they would perform for writes as flash might be really slow on writes. Specs give write performance a bit slower that read but it only gives throughput and not number of writes per second. 
I tried to contact SanDisk but email they provided in the brochure has bounced. I will try to follow it up on the first occasion. If you get to test it - please share your results. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, we have exactly the same idea here! It&#8217;s not clear so far how they would perform for writes as flash might be really slow on writes. Specs give write performance a bit slower that read but it only gives throughput and not number of writes per second.<br />
I tried to contact SanDisk but email they provided in the brochure has bounced. I will try to follow it up on the first occasion. If you get to test it &#8211; please share your results. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone done any experiments with this for benchmarks?

I&#039;m seriously thinking about suggesting that my customers buy two of these in a mirrored config - most of my customers can fit their DB in 32 gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone done any experiments with this for benchmarks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seriously thinking about suggesting that my customers buy two of these in a mirrored config &#8211; most of my customers can fit their DB in 32 gig.</p>
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		<title>By: Christo Kutrovsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christo Kutrovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;7,000 IOPS (input/outputs per second) for a 512MB file&quot;

Note the small text, for a 512 Mb file. I wonder if that is still the number for the entire 32gb.

For comparission, IDE drives tend to be twice as fast, if you measure IOs in limited range, within 5% of the drive size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;7,000 IOPS (input/outputs per second) for a 512MB file&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the small text, for a 512 Mb file. I wonder if that is still the number for the entire 32gb.</p>
<p>For comparission, IDE drives tend to be twice as fast, if you measure IOs in limited range, within 5% of the drive size.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vallee</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/news/357/sandisks-600-solid-state-drive-could-be-a-game-changer-62mbs-7000-iops-in-its-first-rev/#comment-14308</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting review &lt;a href=http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7676844023.html rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

Take aways:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Another touted benefit is faster file access times -- a sum of seek time and access latency. SanDisk says it measured access times as low as 0.12ms for the SSD, compared to 19ms for the 1.8-inch, 4200 rpm hard drive.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Umm... wow?
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SanDisk&#039;s radical performance claims notwithstanding, NAND flash in general does suffer from a few undesirable performance characteristics, compared to traditional hard drives. For example, data can only be erased in fairly large segments -- meaning that especially small write operations could take longer and use more energy.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
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Hmm... damn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review <a href=http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7676844023.html rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>Take aways:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Another touted benefit is faster file access times &#8212; a sum of seek time and access latency. SanDisk says it measured access times as low as 0.12ms for the SSD, compared to 19ms for the 1.8-inch, 4200 rpm hard drive.
</p></blockquote>
<p>
Umm&#8230; wow?<br />
</p>
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SanDisk&#8217;s radical performance claims notwithstanding, NAND flash in general does suffer from a few undesirable performance characteristics, compared to traditional hard drives. For example, data can only be erased in fairly large segments &#8212; meaning that especially small write operations could take longer and use more energy.</p>
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<br />
Hmm&#8230; damn?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Paul Vallee</title>
		<link>http://www.pythian.com/news/357/sandisks-600-solid-state-drive-could-be-a-game-changer-62mbs-7000-iops-in-its-first-rev/#comment-14294</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great pun! How many slaves do you think I can drive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great pun! How many slaves do you think I can drive?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an outstanding email sitting in my Inbox from a vendor who wants to loan me Solid State Disks to repeat my &#039;How Many Slaves&#039; PX tests. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll get round to it for a while, though, you should meet my new boss - he&#039;s a slave-driver!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an outstanding email sitting in my Inbox from a vendor who wants to loan me Solid State Disks to repeat my &#8216;How Many Slaves&#8217; PX tests. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll get round to it for a while, though, you should meet my new boss &#8211; he&#8217;s a slave-driver!</p>
<p>;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vallee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Vallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - 

&gt; I think I would need to buy rather a lot of them to store the odd terabyte

No doubt. But they&#039;d be fast enough that I could even back putting them in ... wait for it ... gag ... RAID 5!!! :-)

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; </p>
<p>> I think I would need to buy rather a lot of them to store the odd terabyte</p>
<p>No doubt. But they&#8217;d be fast enough that I could even back putting them in &#8230; wait for it &#8230; gag &#8230; RAID 5!!! :-)</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Pete_s</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I would need to buy rather a lot of them to store the odd terabyte ;-)

But smart design and aligning data to storage speeds to suit need and I could see a new career developing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I would need to buy rather a lot of them to store the odd terabyte ;-)</p>
<p>But smart design and aligning data to storage speeds to suit need and I could see a new career developing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Gorbachev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gorbachev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if it sustains 7K random IOs/second than it&#039;s good for much higher volumes per &quot;spindle&quot;. Heh, would you still call it a spindle? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if it sustains 7K random IOs/second than it&#8217;s good for much higher volumes per &#8220;spindle&#8221;. Heh, would you still call it a spindle? :)</p>
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